Dr. Elizabeth Severino & the
Angel-Wonder Powers Team
Chat'N'Pray
July 24, 2008

"On Efforting vs. Flow"

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patty - logged on. - from . using Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; SU 3.011; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; NET_mmhpset) on Thu Jul 24 8:53pm ET)
patty - Hi This is patty, I would like to ask that you pray for my dog Buddy, he has on going health programs
patty - Can someone tell me if I am in the chat room, I am having trouble I dont know how to see the messages.
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patty - Hello can someone help me I dont know how to get the messages
Joanne - Patti, you are logged on. Tell me about Buddy.
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Joanne - The messages should appear on this page as each person types in. As of now, we are the only ones on the site. You were here last chat and then logged off. What happened?
Joanne - Hi Lynn & Camo!
Joanne - Patti, just type in on the white bar next to the Update button. Then hit enter or update.
Lynn & Camo - hi there, I am brand new to this, but excited so walk me thru
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Joanne - Welcome. There should be lots more joining us soon. The first part of the session is just a chat. Second part, tonight's topic, third part is the prayer.
Joanne - Hi DHJB1
Dee&HJB - hi everyone
Joanne - We have two new people. Say high to Patty and Lynn & Camo.
Joanne - Patty are you still there?
Dr. Liz - logged on. - from . using Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; AOL 9.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727) on Thu Jul 24 9:07pm ET)
Dr. Liz - Hi, everyone!
Joanne - Hi, Dr. Liz!
Lynn & Camo - I am physically disabled & a long-time service dog user-------- w/ some special intentions for my new boy
Joanne - Wow! Tell us about your new boy.
Dee&HJB - Hi Dr Liz
Lynn & Camo - Hi Everybody, Nice to be here!
Joanne - Glad you could join us.
Dee&HJB - Lynn & Camo- what are your special intentions?
Dr. Liz - Dee, I owe you some files ... <grin> ... hope to upload the others sometime tomorrow! LOL!
Joanne - Dr. Liz, I think Patty might be having some problems with the chat room. The last two sessions she logged on and off. Sounds like she needs some help with Buddy.
Dee&HJB - Dr Liz- yes you do...lol
patty - logged on. - from . using Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; SU 3.011; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; NET_mmhpset) on Thu Jul 24 9:10pm ET)
Dr. Liz - Hi, Patty!
Dee&HJB - When you get the time Dr Liz, we gained a lot of time back not having to re-type them
Joanne - She just logged back on. Perhaps you can suggest some help,
Lynn & Camo - I have a new & young German Shepherd-- who is great, w/ great skills too-- But, is excited, barking & somewhat insecure in his new role-- We have been working on it!
Dr. Liz - Patty, would you like some help using the Chatroom?
Joanne - Lynn, what's his name?
Joanne - Duh!! Is it Camo?
Lynn & Camo - Camo
Dr. Liz - Patty, if you can see this message, you can call me at (856) 582-1700. I'll talk you through whatever issue you may be experiencing.
Dr. Liz - Patty! My Neighbor, Patty! Is that you? LOL! The Margate dates are set ... the last Sunday in September!
Joanne - Is he your first service dog?
Dee&HJB - Dr Liz- quick question that came to me earlier in the week...do any animals in body "now", have an past life recollection as any prehistoric animals?
Dr. Liz - Dee, it's never come up in any conversation I've had.
Joanne - Interesting question Dee.
patty - Hello I would like to ask for prayers for my dog Buddy, he has on going health program, when you get the message can let me know
Dee&HJB - i dont know what made me think to ask, I was wondering if animlas then had globally better communication skills with humans
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Dee&HJB - Hi Abby's Mom
Joanne - Hi Abby's Mom
Dr. Liz - Hi, Patty! We've gotten the message about Buddy!
Dr. Liz - Hi, Abby's Mom!
Joanne - Dee, how's the new kitty?
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Dee&HJB - Joanne- she's AWESOME
Joanne - Patty, I got your message. Tell us about the health program.
Joanne - Dee, have you figured out yet who she is?
Lynn & Camo - no, but our biggest problem is -- that he need not & should not take the lead in partnership anyway-- Working toward becoming a capable, confident, quiet & exceptional pair. I believe that his worries are about leadership.
Dee&HJB - her leg is lhealing nicely- she had an open sore on her lind leg...and she adjusting to life here nicely
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Dr. Liz - Dee, glad to hear that!
Joanne - HI GG!
Dee&HJB - not yet...but I was wondering if she liked the new name Cheryl is considering giving her...Dr Liz can you sense if the kitty likes the name TAKI?
GirlyGirls - On a phone call, will join in in a bit! Hi everybody. . .friend needs to talk, be back. . xoxo
Dr. Liz - Lynn, how did you make out with the trainer?
Joanne - Lynn, how old is he?
Dr. Liz - Hi, GG!
Dee&HJB - joanne shes about 7 weeks
Joanne - Are you going to keep her?
Lynn & Camo - 1 1/2 years -- sweet & woderful
Dee&HJB - Joanne- shes staying, my sister Cheryl- who i live in a duplex with...has ofically taken her in
Dee&HJB - shes on my keyboard right now
Abby's Mom - Hi everyone. I am new at this....finding my way
Joanne - She's about the same age as my new dog Ruger. Ruger is a rescue.
Lynn & Camo - The trainer is Carl Johston & is great.
Joanne - He's also having issues with confidence. He just got to stay out of his crate for the first time when I wasn't home. He's a big boy now.
Dr. Liz - Hi, Abby's Mom! You're doing great ...
Dee&HJB - Henry, Bustopher & Jake all get allong with her awesomely, Champ is warming up
Joanne - Dr. Liz, did you get the picture I sent you? Was it formatted correctly?
Dr. Liz - Thank you to those who have sent in pictures ... I'll be creating an "Angels" page soon ... you'll all be able to see your animals posted there ... :)
Dr. Liz - Dee ... "on my keyboard right now" ... LOL!
Dee&HJB - Dr Liz- can you sense if the kitty over here approve of the name TAKI?
Joanne - I'd like to send you a couple more.
Dee&HJB - Dr Liz, yes and not heavy enough to type ...lol
Dr. Liz - Dee, Yes. She likes it.
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Joanne - Hi, Marge!
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Dr. Liz - Hi, Marge!
Dee&HJB - i know there was another name that she was infering, but Cheryl could come up with it...im glad she likes it....so we should stopp thinking and call her that?
Marge - logged on. - from . using Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; InfoPath.1) on Thu Jul 24 9:23pm ET)
Marge - Hi all, decided to change colors
Lynn & Camo - Liz -- were you able to see the pics I sent
Dee&HJB - oops...cheryl COULDN't come up with the other name
Dr. Liz - Joanne, send them. I'm not sure what I'll be using yet. I may decide to use another vehicle, too, to display the pictures ... so that everyone can see them ...
Joanne - Thanks.
Dr. Liz - Lynn, I haven't opened all the emails yet.
Joanne - Dr. Liz, Ruger has allergies. I had him on antibiotics. He's on a special diet but I think the ear is starting up again. I want to avoid shots. Any suggestions?
Dr. Liz - One of the things I"m considering, is a "photo album" web-site, where people can upload their pictures, and everyone can "flip through" the "photo album" ... The other option, of course, is the original idea, of creating the web-site and posting the pictures up on that.
Dee&HJB - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9FBPDTp240
Dee&HJB - this link is a video of my newest kitty- if anyone would like ot see her...the audio has been dubbed...lol
Joanne - I like the photo album idea.
Abby's Mom - Abby's allergies are horrible too...ears and major paw licking/chewing
Dr. Liz - Dee, I just watched, she's adorable ... and the video is funny!
Dee&HJB - aint she cute...lol
Dr. Liz - Joanne, what diet is he on?
Marge - Dee... I'll watch it
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Rosie Tara - Hi everybody
Dr. Liz - Usually if the ears are "starting up again", it's because the diet has an allergen in it ... and also, because the ears are not being cleaned well enough or diligently enough.
Joanne - Solid Gold Lamb & Rice.
Rosie Tara - I am glad I made it :)
Dr. Liz - Animals with allergies almost always have to be put on a raw foods diet, to control the allergies. Also, the humans must be EXTREMELY diligent in cleaning out the ears. No margin for slack, there.
Marge - Hi RT! Glad you made it!
Dr. Liz - Hi, RT!
Lynn & Camo - I like the album idea-- will also send more pics -- Any idea from you all as to how to get the hush & relax idea thru to Camo -- he's exceptional & we're both working hard
Joanne - Zuke's Salmon Treats. When I clean the ears there's nothing in them.
Marge - Joanne ... no rice! ... right Liz?
Joanne - Hi RT
Dr. Liz - Joanne, you may wish to move to a diet that has absolutely no grains in it. Often rice is okay, but if the allergies are starting up again, you may need to eliminate that, too.
Abby's Mom - I clean her ears twice a day...is that OK
Joanne - Any suggestions? I think he has grass allergies.
Dr. Liz - Lynn, if you hold it yourself, Camo will get it.
Dr. Liz - Abby's Mom ... exactly how, do you clean the ears?
Rosie Tara - Liz, did you get Tara's and Rosie"s photos?
Dr. Liz - RT, when did you send them?
Marge - Joanne ... I have a stray cat here with 2 kittens ... bought them EVO which is for mature cats AND kittens ... they are looking poorly ... EVO has only veges and protein, no grains. Worked well for a sickly stray cat that came here last year
Dr. Liz - RT, I'm working on the book again ... the reincarnation book ... <smile>
Joanne - I had Cappi on Science Diet's ZD. That worked for him. But I was trying to get away from the preservatives.
Dr. Liz - Marge, EVO is a great product for animals with allergies. Good choice.
Rosie Tara - I snd them per email....maybe a week ago
Marge - thanks Liz ... I buy it from Tail Blazers
Rosie Tara - WONDERFUL...Liz !
Abby's Mom - with Oxyfresh ear cleaning solution and a warm cloth in the am and just warm water in the pm
Dr. Liz - RT, if you sent them a week ago, you may need to resend them. AOL had some major glitches here with emails. Sorry about the inconvenience.
Marge - Joanne ... that's another reason EVO is good ... doesn't have a whole bunch of stuff in it!
Lynn & Camo - Abady foods work great for my boys.
Dr. Liz - Abby's Mom, are you using cotton-swab tips, to clean out any "gunk" in the ear canal?
Rosie Tara - Will do....they are really nice....I love the idea of a picture book of our animal friends
Abby's Mom - No. Should I be? I shyed away from that for fear I would hurt her unintentionally.
Dr. Liz - RT, I love the idea, too. Does anyone know of any web-site we can build one with? I know there are some, because people have sent me links. I just don't remember WHO sent me the links! LOL!
Dr. Liz - Abby's Mom, to clean an animal's ears diligently, one must first use the solution ... then massage the ear canal for 2 to 3 minutes ... then use cotton-swab-tips to remove all residue in the ear canal. I've used as many as 30 tips for dogs sometimes. You must keep on swabbing until the cotton tip comes out totally clean.
Joanne - How deep do you go with the cotton swabs?
Dr. Liz - I've always done it twice a day, diligently. Then when no residue appears for 3 days in a row, I move to once a day. Then once a week.
Abby's Mom - No. Should I be? I shyed away from that for fear I would hurt her unintentionally.
Dr. Liz - Joanne, you can go gently, quite deep, in a dog's ear.
Dr. Liz - In a cat's ear, I hold back ever so slightly.
Dr. Liz - Feel it.
Dr. Liz - I've found that nothing less than that, works.
Abby's Mom - OK. Dr. Liz. Thank you. I will start tonight. :)
Marge - Our Chat Topic sounds interesting ...
Joanne - Do you use the cotton swabs with the extra long shafts?
Dr. Liz - Abby's Mom, remember, it is VERY important to massage the ears for 2 to 3 minutes first. This helps soften the "gunk" so that you can get it out, not pack it down in further.
Abby's Mom - sorry for the repeat...still learning
Rosie Tara - I agree , Marge, Very interesting !
Dr. Liz - Joanne, I use the standard, 100% cotton, Johnson and Johnson Q-tips.
Dr. Liz - Yes, it is time for the Chat topic ... Thank you, Marge!
Joanne - Thanks, Dr. Liz.
Dr. Liz - The chat topic is, how much of life "should" be efforting, and how much "should" be easy ... and how do we truly "trust" flow ...
Marge - ... although this was Very worth while to hear about how to clean a cat's ears
Dr. Liz - I need to confess, first and foremost, I'm not an expert in this topic at all. I am VERY good at sharing what the drawbacks of "efforting" are ... so I'm hoping we all learn together!
Joanne - Tonight's topic is perfect for me tonight. I'm still stressed out about finding a place to live ... and trying to force it.
Dr. Liz - I have noticed, that there are areas in my life, which do flow ... and areas that I stress over ... even WITH my daily meditation practice! LOL!
Marge - Joanne ... you're in MO right? did you try to contact Lynda N?
Joanne - When I look back at things that stressed me out -- they all did work out well.
Dr. Liz - And what's odd is, I KNOW that "letting things flow" is the "right" way to be ... I just simply don't always do it. Anyone else feel this way?
Joanne - Marge, yes, she was great. My problem is not knowing what to do -- buy or not buy
Abby's Mom - Absolutely
Marge - sure do! LOL
Joanne - Amen!
Rosie Tara - I let go when Iam exhausted from trying....very unhealthy
Dr. Liz - Joanne, let Lynda N. help you with that decision. She'll be able to point out the advantages and drawbacks of either approach.
Dr. Liz - RT, LOL! Who else does that? Gets themselves exhausted on something and THEN lets go?
Joanne - That's not the problem. It's not knowing how long I'll be there. It takes 3 years to get tenure.
Dee&HJB - I agree Dr Liz, knowing what you shoyld do, and doing it are 2 diferent things
Marge - Joanne ... is MO affected like California and some other states re Real Estate?
Joanne - Yes, but not as badly.
Dr. Liz - Joanne, one first blush, I'd say buy if you can ... because the housing market now is a buyer's market ...
Marge - RT ... LOL but how true for me too!
Rosie Tara - Right,Dee
Lynn & Camo - Often flow is & sounds wonderful -- but there is a nerve wracking release & resignation that often comes too
Joanne - Plus my brother-in-law who was a realtor and is a teacher -- tells me I'd be crazy to buy now
Marge - Joanne ... I hear that the mortgage interest rates are going to go up? ... what did Lynda say to that?
Dr. Liz - Let's share where we "effort" ... usually people have clear areas in their lives, where they "effort" ...
Rosie Tara - I think it has something o do with how much you trust yourself and you abilities...
Joanne - We didn't discuss. I'm sure they will fairly soon though
Rosie Tara - Relationships I guess, Liz
Joanne - It also has to do with letting that infernal talk start in your head.
Dr. Liz - And clear areas, where they don't ... for me, for example, everything with the wildlife habitat here, has just "flowed" ... doesn't mean it wasn't work, including installing the squirrel gym outside on a sweltering hot day ... but all of it has just flowed ...
Dr. Liz - Joanne, RT, I feel there are two parts to it. Confidence is one part. The other part is absolutely knowing ourselves ... our strengths, our weaknesses, our flaws, our honorable parts.
Joanne - To get through this time, I try to stay in the moment. Let the ego go. Then, life seems to be able to flow.
Dr. Liz - And being in NOW ... so if we know who we are, and who we aren't, and are confident about who we are, and who we aren't, and stay in now ... then it seems we don't effort. We do things, we work, we play, we sleep, we eat, but we don't really "EFFORT."
Rosie Tara - Liz, that is exactely what I mean.....Thank you !
Marge - yes, the ego never helps in any area of life ... Eckhart Tolle's book 'The New Earth' is fantastic at explaining this.
Joanne - Marge, I just read it. It's great.
Dr. Liz - Another part of this, is knowing what we want... being able to image, consciously, what we want. When we can do this, against the background of the other parts of this ... the self-knowing ... then the Universe just simply delivers it up.
Abby's Mom - I am the same way, flowing, when it comes to gardening and taking care of my animal companions
Rosie Tara - The moment we are out of our routines we have to start EFFORTING...
Dr. Liz - Marge, feels like I may need to get The New Earth! Do you remember enough of Tolle's explanation, to summarize some of it here, so that we can all learn from it?
Rosie Tara - Abby"s Mom , me too !
Dee&HJB - Marge- yes the ego can get in the way
Marge - Liz ... I also have the audio (CD's) in which he reads the book ... I like that because I can do housework or driving while listening to it.
Dr. Liz - All ... who else finds that life just simply FLOWS, when we're gardening or taking care of our animals?
Lynn & Camo - I often feel like I battle w/ force v. flow issues
Rosie Tara - sick egos cause all the problems on our planet....
Dee&HJB - Dr Liz...ME!!!
Joanne - My favorite part is when he talks about the ego being insane and always wanting more. It lives in the future and in the past and never in the now. It is in the now that we can find awareness beyond the ego. Our eternal self.
Dr. Liz - For me, it always seems to be FEAR that blocks me from flow, and puts me into efforting.
Joanne - The fear comes from the ego according to Tolle.
Abby's Mom - I practice yoga, and even though I find myself "efforting" too often than I should yoga serves as a gentle, peaceful reminder to me to stop so much "efforting"...it seems to come and go with the efforting
Rosie Tara - I agree, Liz !!
Marge - Liz ... there's SO much to the book ... I think it's pretty heavy, as the 'ego' is referred to throughout the entire book ... and basically how destructive it is! ... right Joanne?
Joanne - Oh yes, and he is so right.
Marge - Yes Joanne, ... that's a great part alright!
Dr. Liz - Abby's Mom ... I do Qi Gong. That, too, helps remind me to stop "efforting" and to just "flow." So I understand how yoga can help a lot.
Dr. Liz - <grin> I mean, stop "efforting" and BE in "flow" ... LOL!
Joanne - Exactly what is Qi Gong?
Dr. Liz - Do you have favorite "sentences" that repeat in your minds, when you're "efforting" ... like, "I have to do this because ..." ??? That's a clear ego sentence, if ever I've heard one ... and my own ego, says it to me, a lot! LOL!
Dr. Liz - Joanne, Qi Gong is a gentle form of movement arts ... originated in China ...
Joanne - When I'm in the now, I feel energy flowing from my hands. Healing energy. That's how I quiet the mind and let go.
Marge - Liz ... the audio of A New Earth was $16. if I remember correctly on Amazon
Dr. Liz - The "qi" means "life force energy" ... and the "gong" means "work." So "qi gong" is "work" ... meaning energy work ... that moves our life force energy through and around us in health-supporting and blockage-dissolving ways.
Dee&HJB - Dr Liz- that sentence sums it up perfectly
Joanne - Oh yes, Dr. Liz my self-talk is incessant.
Dr. Liz - Marge, thank you. I'll like the audio, too. :)
Dr. Liz - Joanne, I used to feel it mostly in my hands. Now, I feel it in my entire body and beyond!
Marge - E.T. says when one 'recognizes' that it's the Ego talking or thinking, ... that's the beginning of Being Present!
Rosie Tara - Qi Gong...I saw in Hongkong many people doing it before work in parks...looks very peaceful
Dee&HJB - Dr Liz- efforting causes you to have to think..when you flow, the answers/motions just come to you
Joanne - You quiet the ego through awareness of it.
Marge - So, I give my ego some pretty good tongue lashings, LOL
Dr. Liz - RT ... precisely! It IS best done outside ... and best done in the morning ... although truly, one can do qi gong anytime, anywhere.
Lynn & Camo - Have to Log off-- Will be back. Take Care!
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Joanne - Good nite Lynn
Dee&HJB - Marge- recognizing that you are having those cpnversations in your head...if you can stop and witness those conversations, you realize that YOU are obesrving as a 3rd party...and you can see the ego "talking"
Dr. Liz - The $1,000,000 question is ... how do we GET from "efforting" to being in flow ... Is there a clear, simple answer, anyone?
Joanne - Dee, beautifully said.
Abby's Mom - my self-talk sends me into a real tizzy when I allow it...sometimes I just need to literally calm myself with a bath, create a soothing envirinment with dim light etc....it tends to work for me
Marge - precisely Dee
Rosie Tara - stop thinking and analysing and TRUST
Dr. Liz - Dee ... years ago I discovered that when we just WATCH the ego mind do its talking ... dispassionately WATCH it ... after a few minutes, it stops completely. It gets almost embarrassed at being watched, and becomes quiet.
Joanne - Be fully present in the moment. Feel it.
Abby's Mom - and I do now how to spell "environment" my fingers got away from me :)
Dee&HJB - Dr Liz- meditaion...the more we learn to listen to our inner selves, the more we rely on the flow
Dr. Liz - As with so many other things though, I don't always REMEMBER that I KNOW how to do this! LOL!
Dee&HJB - Dr Liz- yes..it stops...like a conversation between 2 people that realize someone is eavesdropping on them
Dr. Liz - Abby's Mom ... being in action, in movement, with almost anything nurturing, I"ve found, is very helpful to calming the ego-mind.
Joanne - The key seems to be recognizing where you are in your mind. And yes I've had the same experiece with the ego not wanting to be "watched"
Dr. Liz - There's a message here that I"m feeling ... the message appears to be, that when we're nurturing the planet, our animals, or ourselves, the ego mind becomes quiet ... has anyone else noticed this to be true?
Dee&HJB - Dr Liz- I think the first step is ACKNOWLEDGING that we do that...it is the importatn first step
Rosie Tara - Liz's CD about breathing is very helpful for me, too I become very calm and clear in my mind...:))
Dr. Liz - So perhaps, we're to be doing precisely that ... what nurtures ...
Dee&HJB - Dr Liz- when we "act out of love"
Dr. Liz - RT, thank you ... I use the CD, too ... LOL! ...
Joanne - When we nurture and are authentic.
Rosie Tara - It is MAGIC !!! Liz
Dee&HJB - if we try to live our lives by knowing what we love...actively participating in our choices in life, we have a better change of loving all the aspects of our lives, thius living more in the flow
Marge - Another thing E.T. says ... and this WORKS! ... is when you can't stop your mind from the story telling and the stress it's trying to build up in your head ... BEATHE DEEPLY A FEW TIMES, and if it persists, repeat the deep breaths ... Because WHEN YOU BREATHE DEEPLY, YOU CAN'T THINK ... YOU'RE FOCUSING ON YOUR DEEP BREATHING. Then the thinking ego subsides. I've tried this when I couldn't go to sleep, and it WORKS!
Dr. Liz - So when we're coming from our hearts ... are nurturing ... are authentic ... when we're breathing ... the ego isn't there.
Abby's Mom - yes...I am most calm and peaceful when I feel as though I am conveying those properties to other living things (even myself). I think it is "in" us to care for ourselves and others
Marge - this is one of the BEST things I got out of his book!
Rosie Tara - Spot on Marge...:))
Dr. Liz - Is that it, do you think? Is that what would work? Come from our hearts, authentically, while breathing deeply?
Joanne - LOL, Marge.
Dr. Liz - Marge! Wonderful1
Dee&HJB - we humans have gotten away from the important things in life...we are so cluttered with "things" that we forget the simple loves in life
Dee&HJB - Dr Liz- something you said in a seminar you gave struck me ...may i share the story here?
Joanne - For me, being present is important. Everything starts looking larger than life. The colors...
Rosie Tara - True, DEE !
Dr. Liz - So ... perhaps if we started to observe WHAT we're doing when we're efforting, or stressing ... and ask ourselves,why are we doing it? or, why are we doing it, in a way that isn't nurturing? and .. how can we do it, in a way that IS nurturing ... ???? is this it?
Abby's Mom - Dee-I agree completely
Dr. Liz - Dee, yes!
Dee&HJB - ok...
Marge - ... and when the thinking ego subsides, I can lull myself to sleep with nuturing thoughts about my animal friends, etc. ... flows right into sleep
Marge - please do Dee
Dee&HJB - a woman spoke up about what felt like a disappointment in her life...she spoke about wanting to have become a vet, BUt, chose to raise her child...yo said a very profound thing to her....
Dee&HJB - remember that you chose to do that...you made that choice...
Dr. Liz - Dee, that happened in the October '07 animal communication class. Yes, I remember this conversation.
Dee&HJB - be happy with what you chose to do, if you chose it out of love for your child
Rosie Tara - Marge, when I pray at night I fall asleep in the middle of the prayer...LOL
Dee&HJB - you can find a way to introduce the second love - of animals in a new way not if vet schooling is not possible...
Marge - and how did the lady respond to that? ... yes, very profound
Dee&HJB - you made her realize i think, that she is in charge...that she can make a choice now to satisfy her needs, it is not to late...
Dee&HJB - follow her heart
Marge - RT ... that's wonderful!
Dr. Liz - Dee, yes. I remember suggesting to always hold the highest resonance and remembrance of why a particular choice is made...and therefore remember it is a conscious CHOICE.
Dee&HJB - RIGHT- a conscious choice...and i think she agreed that she DID make the right choice then, and could still choose her other love now
Dr. Liz - Dee, Marge, if I remember correctly, she both cried and became extremely "on target" with her life, all at the same time!
Dee&HJB - you took "being a victim" right out of her "story", and gave her something to look forward TO, and not regret looking back on
Marge - Wonderful, Liz!
Dee&HJB - Dr Liz- yes...like i said, it felt very profound to me...i share that stroy all the time with those who wear the "victim" clothng
Dr. Liz - Dee, what you've just observed, has direct relevance to tonight's topic ... when we effort, perhaps we're somehow putting ourselves in "victim" ... and when we're "flowing", we're "choosing" ... does this feel correct, everyone?
Joanne - As ET says, being a victim is part of the ego and keeps us from being present and being ...
Marge - that's fantastic, Dee! Good for you!
Marge - right on Joanne
Marge - time for prayers?
Dee&HJB - (Dr Liz- the topic inspired me to bring that story up tonight)
Dr. Liz - Dee, thank you so much! What a blessing, that you remembered and shared that conversation!
Rosie Tara - Yes, Liz, it does
Abby's Mom - Yes indeed Dr. Liz!
Dee&HJB - Dr Liz- RIGHT...the whole VICTIM thing..
Dr. Liz - What a precious thing, to remember! If we're efforting, we're "victimizing" ourselves ...
Marge - for sure Liz
Dr. Liz - Somehow, that's funny ... anyone else laughing?
Joanne - Seeing it that way really helps. Makes me realize...
Rosie Tara - Shocking truth !
Joanne - how foolish I look!
Dee&HJB - and when we feel like a victim, we feel we can not make the choices in our lives, and we scramble to "make it all work", if we take the stand of controlling and choosing, we at least feel empowered, and I think there is less efforting in that
Abby's Mom - It makes a statement that's for sure...the victim concept. I do not want to be a victim.
Dr. Liz - This all feels so "spot on" ... LOL!!!
Marge - prayer time?
Joanne - Amen
Dr. Liz - Angel Wonder-Powers Team ... together, we've all "done it again" ... Everyone contributed tonight, everyone added something ... how VERY sweet!
GirlyGirls - Controlling is a little dicey though. . .
Dee&HJB - we have to realize that we are not victims of life...even if we chose NOT to choose, that is a choice
GirlyGirls - Ready for prayers. Just got off phone.
Dr. Liz - All ... yes ... prayer time!
Rosie Tara - We have a GREAT leader, Liz !
Marge - ... feels like the right time after "spot on"
Dee&HJB - GG- not controlling in a CONTROLLING way, but in a take responsibility way..thanks for pointing out that...it needed to be clearer
Dr. Liz - Please take a moment now, and choose a Name that works for you, to represent all that is Sacred, and Holy, and Divine in our lives ... and key it into the Chatroom!
GirlyGirls - Lord of All
Dr. Liz - (RT ... <grateful grin> ...thank you!)
Joanne - Divine Universe
Dee&HJB - Universal Love
Dr. Liz - Divine Power, Holy Spirit
Rosie Tara - Dear Father in Heaven
Marge - Sacred Universe
Dr. Liz - As you read the Names I'm about to type in, breathe deeply, in and out, three times ... fully ...
Dr. Liz - Lord of All, Divine Universe, Universal Love, Divine Power, Holy Spirit, Dear Father in Heaven, Sacred Universe ...
Dr. Liz - We call on You now ...
Dr. Liz - We know that You are in Us, and We are in You ... We know that We all combine together ...
Abby's Mom - Heavenly One
Dr. Liz - We know that when We call, You come ... We know that when We invite You to in-fill Us, You DO ...
Dr. Liz - We are enormously grateful to know, that You are always there for Us ...
Dr. Liz - We feel You now.
Dr. Liz - We feel you powerfully in-filling Us, now.
Dr. Liz - As You in-fill Us, We now turn our attention to the Basket of Blessings, and the many hundreds of prayer petitions for people, animals, and situations, in the Basket ...
Dr. Liz - Each One of Us, in the Way that works Best, now sets intention to flow healing prayer energy, to the prayers in the Basket ... for many, beaming the palms of their hands towards their computer screens, and using their intention to direct the energy to the Basket before my computer screen here, works perfectly.
Dr. Liz - And it is done.
Dr. Liz - It is time now, to enter the names of any other animals, people, or situations, for whom healing prayer energy is desired.
Rosie Tara - Amen Thank YOU !
Dee&HJB - for Tracey & Charlee- that peace in-fill them both so sound sleep is achieved tonight
Marge - and it is so, amen
GirlyGirls - May the light and healing we all send to the intentions of those here and those in the basket stay as strong as it is in this moment, sustaining the love of the Holy Ones in powerful healing, a continuum, until we gather again
Joanne - Patty and Buddy. Cooper that he come's home. For Joyce and all her animals.
GirlyGirls - Amen.
Marge - vibrant health for the mother cat and her 2 kittens at my place, Calgary, Ab.
Dee&HJB - GG- how beautiful, amen to that!
Joanne - GG, beautifully said.
Rosie Tara - Thanks GG
GirlyGirls - For Tim S. of Malvern, PA, that he turn to what is best and authentic and true and healthy in body mind and spirit, that he makes that choice.
Marge - amen to that GG, ... beautifully said!
Dee&HJB - for all of us here, that we find our inspirations to remind us to "live in the flow"
GirlyGirls - For uplifting of my spirit.
Rosie Tara - May the problems with the building site next to us be solved soon
Dee&HJB - for Linda, that she find in her heart, the openess and strength to understand her family and find the love in thier decisions
Abby's Mom - The "All About Them Large Breed Rescue": that God will give them what they need day by day to "shelter" the fragile creatures that so desparately need the rescue to survive
Marge - that Orange, the tom cat, appear at my place at the appropriate time for me to take him to the vet to no longer be a tom :)
Joanne - and that as we "live in the flow," we live in happiness
GirlyGirls - For Kristi and Perry of Marietta GA, that their marriage be strengthened to be mutually sustaining and supportive in every way.
Rosie Tara - YES, Joanne
Marge - amen to that Joanne
GirlyGirls - FOr GrayCat, Fergus and Fannie and Pinky, health, strength, love, protection and peace
GirlyGirls - For the calm faith and trust to hand all things over to God.
Dee&HJB - for all of Dr Liz's book projects, that Divine Love take each project into the loving hands & hearts of those who can make them "happen"
Joanne - Marge, my prayers for you and Orange. Good-luck!
Rosie Tara - Hans, may the doctors find the cause for his pains soon
GirlyGirls - Amen to all!
Dee&HJB - and that this love help them in their completion , find those who need their words
Joanne - <grin>
Marge - thanks Joanne .. lol
Dee&HJB - amen Joanne
Marge - amen to that Dee
Dr. Liz - For all of us tonight, that someone, a "victim" flag be raised in our awareness now, so that when or if we get ourselves into victim, we become immediately aware of it!
Dr. Liz - Dee, thank you!
Dee&HJB - ;)
Dr. Liz - I meant,
Joanne - I think I'll make one and hang it on my wall as a reminder.
Rosie Tara - Thank you Liz
Dr. Liz - I meant, "some how", not "someone" ...
Marge - amen to that Liz
Dee&HJB - i think the "victim flag" is the sentence Dr Liz typed earlier
Dee&HJB - I Have to/had to because...
Rosie Tara - For myself that I learn to stop worrying and let go sooner
Dr. Liz - Now I'm visualizing what a "victim dragon" might look like ... LOL ... remember when we all did the "dragons"?
Marge - LOL, LOL
Abby's Mom - I am right there with you RT
GirlyGirls - Big droopy eyes I think. . .rather comically pathetic
Joanne - Do we have any artists?
Marge - ... yes GG ... with not only the fanny draggin' ... lol
Rosie Tara - my dragon is so fat that he can hardly move....LOL
Dr. Liz - Joanne, we DEFINITELY have artists! Dee and Cheryl, who did the Angel Wonder Powers Team logo!
GirlyGirls - : - )
Dr. Liz - RT ... a fat, pathetic looking Dragon with droopy eyes ...
Joanne - Carrying the world on his back.
GirlyGirls - God bless him. . .
GirlyGirls - or her. .
Dr. Liz - Possibly with a "I have to do this because" sign on it ...
Abby's Mom - and poor posture for the dragon too!
Dee&HJB - now the thing to realize is that the "victim" part...is actually removable...so I picture the dragon "wearing"/carrying alot, but not knowing that it can be removed/put down
Rosie Tara - GG LOL
Joanne - her would probably be better...
Dee&HJB - yes- poor posture..not standing up for itself
Dee&HJB - and definately the sign
Dr. Liz - I wonder if it's a dragon that looks like a donkey a little, too ... aren't most of us rather stubborn when we're in victim???
Joanne - hmmm...
Rosie Tara - He or she has to go on a "let go" diet....
Joanne - perhaps a jack ass would be more appropriate.
Dee&HJB - RT- YES
Marge - well, how about front half dragon, and back half a(donkey)
Dee&HJB - Joanne- right
Abby's Mom - Fabulous Marge!
Dee&HJB - Rt- I like that concept...The "let - go" diet
Dr. Liz - Marge! LOL!
Rosie Tara - Marge I wonder about the "balance"...:)
Marge - what balance, RT, .. lol, lol
Dee&HJB - LOL
Rosie Tara - the balance of the HEAD to the BACK...LOL
Dr. Liz - I'm laughing at the front half dragon, back half donkey (or jack ass)!!!
Dee&HJB - carrying a burden of a scale, like a yoke around its neck
Dee&HJB - desicions, decisions, symbolizing NOT just going with the flow
Dee&HJB - funny, i think i've seen him at times..in the mirror...lolk
Marge - well, with that I must say good night and God Bless til we see you again in 2 weeks
Dee&HJB - night Marge
Marge - Dee. lol, lol
Dr. Liz - For me, it would be carrying "work" ... a few computers all wire-wrapped together ... schedules ... calendars ... clocks ... decisions ...
Joanne - Dee, if you get inspired, you can email me @ jnarr@sbcglobal.net
GirlyGirls - Me, too. . .not been getting nearly enough sleep lately. . .Love to all, blessings upon blessings to all. .
Rosie Tara - Have nice dreams Marge !
Dr. Liz - Night, Marge! Great to "see" you tonight! Thanks for joining in!
Joanne - Nite Marge.
Joanne - Nite GG.
GirlyGirls - Good night all. ..xoxoxoxoxox
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Dr. Liz - Yes, I'll be signing off now, too ... Blessings to all! Thanks for joining in tonight! See you in 2 weeks!
Dr. Liz - The chat room will stay open ...
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Joanne - Nite, Dr. Liz.
Dee&HJB - if I get some free time, i'll try to work this dragon"drakey" up
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Joanne - I'd love it.
Abby's Mom - Thank you to each of you. I really needed this tonight. It was a wonderful experience. I plan to continue.
Dee&HJB - night all..see you in 2 weeks
Joanne - Nite, Dee.
Dee&HJB - Abby's mom...please do...i find that this is a great place to meet/share with like-miinded poeple
Rosie Tara - Liz I will email the photos again.now have to go to Great chat ...I feel very "light" now....Love you all
Joanne - Nite RT.
Joanne - Hi Sara.
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Dee&HJB - ive been coming here for years now
Joanne - Nite, Abbie's Mom.
Joanne - Sara, are you a regular?
Dee&HJB - i find that these chat inspire, and give you "food for thought" for the 2 weeks
Dee&HJB - Jaonne, how long you been coming to these chats?
Abby's Mom - Heavenly dreams to all...til next time
Joanne - And it's nice to know that there are others experiecing the same things.
Joanne - I started in Januaryish.
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Dee&HJB - Joanne- i find that in my life, not many people are open enough, or give enough thought to the things we discuss here
Joanne - Sara are you having trouble logging on?
sara - heh! Imissed everything but I wanted to say hi!
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Dee&HJB - i started coming b/c of a sick cat, she's gone now, but I've enjoyed these chats for like....6 years now
Dee&HJB - Hi sara
Joanne - I'm finding them but everyone's looking for something a little different.
Dee&HJB - Joanne, what started you coming ot these chats?
sara - How was the night? I've been coming off and on for maybe 3-4 yrs
Joanne - How you must have seen things grow!
Dee&HJB - i try to make it every session, sometimes i can't make it, but I find that I get a lot out of them
sara - I'm back now because it's time for my boy Saul to reincarnate
Joanne - I have been involved in animal communications for some time now.
Joanne - Sara, has he told you he's coming back?
sara - He dropped his body in March and promised he'd be back by christmas
sara - We did this with my Emma 3 yrs ago
Joanne - Any you're all nervous about how you're going to find him?
sara - she's totally back
Dee&HJB - Joanne- what I love is that Dr Liz picks a topic, and as we discuss/share, she ads so much of her knowledge, but also admits/acknowledges what she gets out of it too...it really feels like we are all sharing and learning as it goes, not like we are listening to a teacher and taking notes
Joanne - That is exactly why I've continued. I've learned much and yet I too contribute.
sara - wow you all there?
Dee&HJB - we just experienced a "returner" here..a kitten foun dits way into our yard 3 weeks ago...Dr Liz says shes' home again&